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		<title>Comment on Struggling Student: Keeping details private by Just Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 08:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  Couldn&#039;t have phrased it better.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Struggling Student: Keeping details private by Jodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 08:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Laura, I appreciate your input and information. We have been through several evaluation and diagnostic processes at a leading children&#039;s hospital and it is with the backing (and guidance) of my son&#039;s doctor&#039;s, therapists and teachers/school counselors that we have been able to obtain such a comprehensive IEP -- that, and we are extremely fortunate that the administration and staff in our elementary school are top notch. His issues are not categorized as disabilities -- they are of another nature, but I do agree with you wholeheartedly; the &quot;label&quot; does not matter, it is about understanding what is needed, working to find solutions to problems, and making things work for all involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Laura, I appreciate your input and information. We have been through several evaluation and diagnostic processes at a leading children&#8217;s hospital and it is with the backing (and guidance) of my son&#8217;s doctor&#8217;s, therapists and teachers/school counselors that we have been able to obtain such a comprehensive IEP &#8212; that, and we are extremely fortunate that the administration and staff in our elementary school are top notch. His issues are not categorized as disabilities &#8212; they are of another nature, but I do agree with you wholeheartedly; the &#8220;label&#8221; does not matter, it is about understanding what is needed, working to find solutions to problems, and making things work for all involved.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Struggling Student: Keeping details private by Just Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to let you know, then, that if/when your child decides to attend college, in order to receive the key board accommodation, the child will need to be diagnosed with a disability by a professional.  It may be dexterity, or it may be a &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.doe.mass.edu/sped/links/learndisability.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;specific learning disability&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;  The exception to that is if the professor is allowing all children to use a key board.  Because of the distraction of Facebook/YouTube/blogging these days on students&#039; laptops, many professors do not. &lt;a href=&quot;http://ed.gov/parents/needs/speced/iepguide/index.html#process&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; IEPs are supposed to address disabilities&lt;/a&gt; through professional testing, and not merely &quot;concerns.&quot;  Granted, some schools don&#039;t yet have useful IEPs, and may just say something nebulous like &quot;child has a tough time processing.&quot;  

I don&#039;t mean to say what your child does or does not experience, Jodi, since I haven&#039;t had the pleasure of meeting your child, and couldn&#039;t professionally diagnose anyway (lacking a Ph.D).  However, I do work with students having all kinds of disabilities at a Big 12 university, so I am aware of ADA law and the nomenclature.  I listen to parents/students list all kinds of euphemisms to me such as &quot;learning differences,&quot; &quot;issues,&quot; &quot;abnormal difficulties,&quot; etc.  They are trying to refrain from saying &quot;disability&quot; for some reason.  There is nothing wrong with being imperfect - we all are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to let you know, then, that if/when your child decides to attend college, in order to receive the key board accommodation, the child will need to be diagnosed with a disability by a professional.  It may be dexterity, or it may be a &#8220;<a href="http://www.doe.mass.edu/sped/links/learndisability.html" rel="nofollow">specific learning disability</a>.&#8221;  The exception to that is if the professor is allowing all children to use a key board.  Because of the distraction of Facebook/YouTube/blogging these days on students&#8217; laptops, many professors do not. <a href="http://ed.gov/parents/needs/speced/iepguide/index.html#process" rel="nofollow"> IEPs are supposed to address disabilities</a> through professional testing, and not merely &#8220;concerns.&#8221;  Granted, some schools don&#8217;t yet have useful IEPs, and may just say something nebulous like &#8220;child has a tough time processing.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to say what your child does or does not experience, Jodi, since I haven&#8217;t had the pleasure of meeting your child, and couldn&#8217;t professionally diagnose anyway (lacking a Ph.D).  However, I do work with students having all kinds of disabilities at a Big 12 university, so I am aware of ADA law and the nomenclature.  I listen to parents/students list all kinds of euphemisms to me such as &#8220;learning differences,&#8221; &#8220;issues,&#8221; &#8220;abnormal difficulties,&#8221; etc.  They are trying to refrain from saying &#8220;disability&#8221; for some reason.  There is nothing wrong with being imperfect &#8211; we all are.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Struggling Student: Keeping details private by Jodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 06:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree that why a child is receiving special accommodation for something at school is of concern to no one but the parties involved. Responding in a vague, non-answer and change the subject manner, or with a direct, matter of fact response are all reasonable suggestions; much of it comes down to what do you feel most comfortable with? You definitely don&#039;t need to provide any information you don&#039;t wish to share. 

Jerry, as the mother of a child with special &quot;issues&quot; or &quot;concerns&quot;, I agree with your comment that they may not be disabilities ... there is a difference. 

I would like to add that a child may need to use a key board at school for more than a physical reason, such as dexterity. My son has an IEP and included in the accommodations for his issues is the option to use a computer in any of his classes. (He is in the 5th grade.) He has no physical problems with writing; it is more of an emotional issue in that his brain clicks along  so fast he cannot get his thoughts down on paper fast enough when writing by hand. This makes him very frustrated and he tends to give up or look to take the easy way out with his work. When he uses a keyboard to complete assignments, rewrite paragraphs, etc. he is much more engaged in what he is doing and willing to put more effort into his work. There are all sorts of reasons accommodations are made for kids and I am personally grateful -- and pleased -- that the need to treat children&#039;s needs individually is becoming so prevalent. 

Jerry, in regard to your comment that lap tops and other electronic devices are common for note taking, I will agree that yes, that is the case in college. However, in high schools, and especially in middle and elementary schools, (at least in my  area) they are not common and up until this year, have not been allowed. Several schools in our district are doing a trial run to see how the kids handle the added responsibility and opportunity (the devices are not to be used in certain classes.) Hopefully, it will become more prevalent in future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree that why a child is receiving special accommodation for something at school is of concern to no one but the parties involved. Responding in a vague, non-answer and change the subject manner, or with a direct, matter of fact response are all reasonable suggestions; much of it comes down to what do you feel most comfortable with? You definitely don&#8217;t need to provide any information you don&#8217;t wish to share. </p>
<p>Jerry, as the mother of a child with special &#8220;issues&#8221; or &#8220;concerns&#8221;, I agree with your comment that they may not be disabilities &#8230; there is a difference. </p>
<p>I would like to add that a child may need to use a key board at school for more than a physical reason, such as dexterity. My son has an IEP and included in the accommodations for his issues is the option to use a computer in any of his classes. (He is in the 5th grade.) He has no physical problems with writing; it is more of an emotional issue in that his brain clicks along  so fast he cannot get his thoughts down on paper fast enough when writing by hand. This makes him very frustrated and he tends to give up or look to take the easy way out with his work. When he uses a keyboard to complete assignments, rewrite paragraphs, etc. he is much more engaged in what he is doing and willing to put more effort into his work. There are all sorts of reasons accommodations are made for kids and I am personally grateful &#8212; and pleased &#8212; that the need to treat children&#8217;s needs individually is becoming so prevalent. </p>
<p>Jerry, in regard to your comment that lap tops and other electronic devices are common for note taking, I will agree that yes, that is the case in college. However, in high schools, and especially in middle and elementary schools, (at least in my  area) they are not common and up until this year, have not been allowed. Several schools in our district are doing a trial run to see how the kids handle the added responsibility and opportunity (the devices are not to be used in certain classes.) Hopefully, it will become more prevalent in future.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Struggling Student: Keeping details private by Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 05:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go, Just Laura. Great response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go, Just Laura. Great response.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Struggling Student: Keeping details private by Just Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on the facts, the child is &quot;struggling&quot; at school to keep up with his peers - so much, in fact, that the principal got involved (google &quot;IEP&quot;).  That indicates a  real problem (&quot;issues&quot; is a euphemism).  There could be many reasons for this problem, but if all the child needed is a keyboard (the letter writer mentions everything is great now), then the &quot;issue&quot; is likely dexterity (so a physical, rather than a mental &quot;issue&quot;).  It should be treated no differently than my glasses/contacts allowing me to see what everyone else sees, or a hearing aid.  There is no shame in our noticing an obvious disability (in elementary and high school, educators are required by law to do this), just as there is no shame in having a disability, or having a child with a disability.  It doesn&#039;t mean we think differently about the person or the child.
Would you have felt differently had the parent written about the child&#039;s &quot;struggles&quot; with school work before getting glasses, and now with glasses the child is fine?  Would you think we&lt;em&gt; assumed&lt;/em&gt; the child had bad vision, or would you think it obvious?  And neighbors can still be busybodies about something as common as that.  I started wearing glasses at four years of age, and  people approached my parents saying things such as, &quot;wow, she&#039;s really young for those.  Are you sure those are good for her? She won&#039;t break them by accident and hurt herself?&quot;

The fact is that the neighbor has no business asking why a child receives an accommodation.  Both the EPI and&lt;strong&gt; Elizabeth&lt;/strong&gt; gave solid answers - the letter writer will know which will work best for him/her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on the facts, the child is &#8220;struggling&#8221; at school to keep up with his peers &#8211; so much, in fact, that the principal got involved (google &#8220;IEP&#8221;).  That indicates a  real problem (&#8220;issues&#8221; is a euphemism).  There could be many reasons for this problem, but if all the child needed is a keyboard (the letter writer mentions everything is great now), then the &#8220;issue&#8221; is likely dexterity (so a physical, rather than a mental &#8220;issue&#8221;).  It should be treated no differently than my glasses/contacts allowing me to see what everyone else sees, or a hearing aid.  There is no shame in our noticing an obvious disability (in elementary and high school, educators are required by law to do this), just as there is no shame in having a disability, or having a child with a disability.  It doesn&#8217;t mean we think differently about the person or the child.<br />
Would you have felt differently had the parent written about the child&#8217;s &#8220;struggles&#8221; with school work before getting glasses, and now with glasses the child is fine?  Would you think we<em> assumed</em> the child had bad vision, or would you think it obvious?  And neighbors can still be busybodies about something as common as that.  I started wearing glasses at four years of age, and  people approached my parents saying things such as, &#8220;wow, she&#8217;s really young for those.  Are you sure those are good for her? She won&#8217;t break them by accident and hurt herself?&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact is that the neighbor has no business asking why a child receives an accommodation.  Both the EPI and<strong> Elizabeth</strong> gave solid answers &#8211; the letter writer will know which will work best for him/her.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Thread by Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 00:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally, you need to use your judgment. Many conversations about religion or politics are people just talking. You should feel free to join that conversation and state your views, whatever they may be. But the general rule is that you get to respond in kind to whatever is thrown at you -- if the conversation turns nasty, you get to respond in kind. If you wouldn&#039;t take physical abuse, why would you tolerate an environment that is verbally abusive? (Nina&#039;s last paragraph actually encapsulates this beautifully. If you saw someone getting beaten up by a mugger, you would confront them or call the police. Same thing if you hear someone using hate speech.) 

You can also disarm a conversation that&#039;s going in a wrong direction. I do this by telling the offending party, &quot;I wholeheartedly disagree with those views. But rather than get into a heated discussion, which given our respective personalities could turn very heated and ruin everyone&#039;s good time, let&#039;s just drop it.&quot; (I&#039;ve done this at family gatherings and professional events.) By saying this, you&#039;ve given the other person the last clear chance to avoid the discussion. 

You keep quiet when speaking up could hurt you financially &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; you are not willing to accept the pain that the speaker could inflict. (These situations should be fairly rare.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally, you need to use your judgment. Many conversations about religion or politics are people just talking. You should feel free to join that conversation and state your views, whatever they may be. But the general rule is that you get to respond in kind to whatever is thrown at you &#8212; if the conversation turns nasty, you get to respond in kind. If you wouldn&#8217;t take physical abuse, why would you tolerate an environment that is verbally abusive? (Nina&#8217;s last paragraph actually encapsulates this beautifully. If you saw someone getting beaten up by a mugger, you would confront them or call the police. Same thing if you hear someone using hate speech.) </p>
<p>You can also disarm a conversation that&#8217;s going in a wrong direction. I do this by telling the offending party, &#8220;I wholeheartedly disagree with those views. But rather than get into a heated discussion, which given our respective personalities could turn very heated and ruin everyone&#8217;s good time, let&#8217;s just drop it.&#8221; (I&#8217;ve done this at family gatherings and professional events.) By saying this, you&#8217;ve given the other person the last clear chance to avoid the discussion. </p>
<p>You keep quiet when speaking up could hurt you financially <i>and</i> you are not willing to accept the pain that the speaker could inflict. (These situations should be fairly rare.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Struggling Student: Keeping details private by Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 00:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, this is a really easy situation. It falls under the rule of never letting a good crisis go to waste.

If the nosy neighbor asks about the keyboard, you merely need respond &quot;we believe that our son will benefit by using the latest technology in doing his school work.&quot; Soon, the gossip will be researching whether her child can use technology as well. [Seriously, EPI, this was not a hard question. Sure you don&#039;t need some help over there?]

In high schools and colleges, laptops and iPads are no longer uncommon for note taking. There is no reason that younger students shouldn&#039;t use them as well. And there is no need to explain that the reason for the technology is that your son has whatever issues. Elizabeth&#039;s last paragraph is spot on -- you can&#039;t win by getting defensive with a busy body. 

(BTW, shame on everyone for assuming that these issues are related to a physical or mental handicap. The problem merely states that the child has &quot;issues,&quot; not that he has a disability.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, this is a really easy situation. It falls under the rule of never letting a good crisis go to waste.</p>
<p>If the nosy neighbor asks about the keyboard, you merely need respond &#8220;we believe that our son will benefit by using the latest technology in doing his school work.&#8221; Soon, the gossip will be researching whether her child can use technology as well. [Seriously, EPI, this was not a hard question. Sure you don't need some help over there?]</p>
<p>In high schools and colleges, laptops and iPads are no longer uncommon for note taking. There is no reason that younger students shouldn&#8217;t use them as well. And there is no need to explain that the reason for the technology is that your son has whatever issues. Elizabeth&#8217;s last paragraph is spot on &#8212; you can&#8217;t win by getting defensive with a busy body. </p>
<p>(BTW, shame on everyone for assuming that these issues are related to a physical or mental handicap. The problem merely states that the child has &#8220;issues,&#8221; not that he has a disability.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Children Circumstances: Excluding children from a wedding by Katie K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your brother and future SIL&#039;s plans  may be thoughtless, shortsighted and rude. Your wife and children may be justified in feeling &quot;disrespected&quot;.

But since you can control only your behavior and your reactions, you and your family need to decide whether you prefer to be &quot;right&quot; or prefer to respond with loving kindness to this breach of etiquette.

Which is the better lesson to model for your children: that your family makes allowances for loved ones who make mistakes, or that you stand on principle, no matter the magnitude of the offense  nor the consequences. 

Either is a valid position, and could lead to a very important life lesson for your teenaged children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your brother and future SIL&#8217;s plans  may be thoughtless, shortsighted and rude. Your wife and children may be justified in feeling &#8220;disrespected&#8221;.</p>
<p>But since you can control only your behavior and your reactions, you and your family need to decide whether you prefer to be &#8220;right&#8221; or prefer to respond with loving kindness to this breach of etiquette.</p>
<p>Which is the better lesson to model for your children: that your family makes allowances for loved ones who make mistakes, or that you stand on principle, no matter the magnitude of the offense  nor the consequences. </p>
<p>Either is a valid position, and could lead to a very important life lesson for your teenaged children.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Struggling Student: Keeping details private by Rev. Svend la Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. Svend la Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I had that accommodation in middle school, my keyboards were repeatedly destroyed until I went public that there was a disability that required them. Apparently, there was an impression among the people that I had an unfair advantage. If the student is not already openly a member of the Able-Disabled Club (wherefore he need not say which), he should probably out himself to avoid the much greater grief of keeping a secret, replacing a half dozen AlphaSmarts and straining a friendship. If the reticence is the student&#039;s own, for whatever reason, then I agree with the Institute&#039;s answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I had that accommodation in middle school, my keyboards were repeatedly destroyed until I went public that there was a disability that required them. Apparently, there was an impression among the people that I had an unfair advantage. If the student is not already openly a member of the Able-Disabled Club (wherefore he need not say which), he should probably out himself to avoid the much greater grief of keeping a secret, replacing a half dozen AlphaSmarts and straining a friendship. If the reticence is the student&#8217;s own, for whatever reason, then I agree with the Institute&#8217;s answer.</p>
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