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		<title>By: Graceandhonor</title>
		<link>http://www.etiquettedaily.com/2009/12/open-thread-176/#comment-1574</link>
		<dc:creator>Graceandhonor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sasha,

Ai yi yi! The problem here is that your brother and wife did not buy the jewelry for your daughter, but apparently for themselves!  They have forgotten the first rule of gift-giving, that the gift delight the recipient.  It makes absolutely no sense that your brother would rather spend his money on something that will never be used and enjoyed instead of something your daughter would think, each time she uses it, &quot;Wow, Uncle Ted and Aunt Alice are the best!&quot;

Then we move to the other icebergs in your family pond, that of who is the better Mom who has produced better children.  THIS is actually good, because you can demonstrate you are at least the more insightful and mature adult by sending the following letter:

Dear Ted and Alice,

We all feel very badly that things went so awry this Christmas.  We love you and your family very much and want to do everything we can to mend our relationships with you.

First of all, we did not mean to hurt your feelings about Jenny&#039;s gift.  It is obvious you took great pains in selecting the necklace you gave her.  It is beautiful but is simply not the type of jewelry she would wear.  I only mentioned returning it, because I was sure that you would want her to have something that she would use a lot and be delighted in remembering each time she used the item that you gave it to her.  We all hate the idea that the money you spent on this would not be best utilized and that is why I assumed you&#039;d want to know she would like to choose something else.  This was not meant to offend you, but instead be mindful of the thought and hard-earned money you expended.

We are also sorry that things got out of hand and hurtful things were said to each other when we discussed this at Mom&#039;s.  We love you dearly and celebrate the fact that while we each have made our own choices in lifestyle and goals, nevertheless, we are very blessed to have such wonderful family.

Please forgive us for hurting your feelings.  We hope we can all work toward happier times for all of us.

Love, Jane, Paul and Jenny

(All three of you sign the letter.)

The ball will then be in their court.  Give them a couple of weeks to accept the olive branch and fork over the jewelry receipt.  If they don&#039;t, return the jewelry for what you can get for it, (and be prepared to be treated less than fairly at the jewelry store, grrr) but be done with the gift exchange.

As for calling and asking what their children want or expecting Ted and Alice to do the same, this is a wrong assumption on your part.  Neither you, nor they, or any gift-giver, are required to be order fulfillers.  Come up with an idea on your own; just be sure to enclose a gift receipt!!!

Ai Yi Yi,

Graceandhonor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sasha,</p>
<p>Ai yi yi! The problem here is that your brother and wife did not buy the jewelry for your daughter, but apparently for themselves!  They have forgotten the first rule of gift-giving, that the gift delight the recipient.  It makes absolutely no sense that your brother would rather spend his money on something that will never be used and enjoyed instead of something your daughter would think, each time she uses it, &#8220;Wow, Uncle Ted and Aunt Alice are the best!&#8221;</p>
<p>Then we move to the other icebergs in your family pond, that of who is the better Mom who has produced better children.  THIS is actually good, because you can demonstrate you are at least the more insightful and mature adult by sending the following letter:</p>
<p>Dear Ted and Alice,</p>
<p>We all feel very badly that things went so awry this Christmas.  We love you and your family very much and want to do everything we can to mend our relationships with you.</p>
<p>First of all, we did not mean to hurt your feelings about Jenny&#8217;s gift.  It is obvious you took great pains in selecting the necklace you gave her.  It is beautiful but is simply not the type of jewelry she would wear.  I only mentioned returning it, because I was sure that you would want her to have something that she would use a lot and be delighted in remembering each time she used the item that you gave it to her.  We all hate the idea that the money you spent on this would not be best utilized and that is why I assumed you&#8217;d want to know she would like to choose something else.  This was not meant to offend you, but instead be mindful of the thought and hard-earned money you expended.</p>
<p>We are also sorry that things got out of hand and hurtful things were said to each other when we discussed this at Mom&#8217;s.  We love you dearly and celebrate the fact that while we each have made our own choices in lifestyle and goals, nevertheless, we are very blessed to have such wonderful family.</p>
<p>Please forgive us for hurting your feelings.  We hope we can all work toward happier times for all of us.</p>
<p>Love, Jane, Paul and Jenny</p>
<p>(All three of you sign the letter.)</p>
<p>The ball will then be in their court.  Give them a couple of weeks to accept the olive branch and fork over the jewelry receipt.  If they don&#8217;t, return the jewelry for what you can get for it, (and be prepared to be treated less than fairly at the jewelry store, grrr) but be done with the gift exchange.</p>
<p>As for calling and asking what their children want or expecting Ted and Alice to do the same, this is a wrong assumption on your part.  Neither you, nor they, or any gift-giver, are required to be order fulfillers.  Come up with an idea on your own; just be sure to enclose a gift receipt!!!</p>
<p>Ai Yi Yi,</p>
<p>Graceandhonor!</p>
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		<title>By: Graceandhonor</title>
		<link>http://www.etiquettedaily.com/2009/12/open-thread-176/#comment-1573</link>
		<dc:creator>Graceandhonor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Abby,

The only way you can tell her he is not invited to a family gathering or trip is to apply this edict across the board with other children and their significant others.  Notice I did not say &quot;spouses.&quot;

&quot;Honey, we&#039;d like to spend quality time with you one on one.  We&#039;ll invite Dirk another time.&quot;  BUT, you cannot use this too often as she&#039;ll dig her heels in.

See if you can encourage your daughter to broaden her horizons outside the love department.  Has she talked about getting an advanced degree and perhaps move away to pursue it?  Would she like to go to Europe?  Could she transfer out of state with her company?  While this may seem extreme, and heaven knows, she might meet another Dirk somewhere else, encourage her to look at her life in a holistic fashion.  If she thinks in these terms, perhaps she&#039;ll draw the conclusion that Dirk is not a long-range option for her life.  And, if anyone in  your immediate circle asks her such questions as &quot;When are you going to tie the knot?&quot; or &quot;Are you going to die an old maid?&quot; or &quot;Isn&#039;t your biologicial clock ticking down?&quot; for heaven&#039;s sake, take them aside and tell them to stop, as these types of comments may at least subconciously make her think time is running out and she better settle in a hurry.  Or give me their numbers, and I&#039;ll take care of them for you!!!

Having been in this type of situation in the past, as one parent to another, bite your tongue, Abby, bite it until it bleeds, grip your husband&#039;s arm in a death vise, but DON&#039;T criticize Dirk in any way.  However, you can be exremely non-committal about him and trust me on this, eventually your daughter will ask, &quot;Why don&#039;t you like Dirk?&quot;  Even then, DON&#039;T respond with your true feelings.  You can be lukewarm in your like of him without totally embracing him.

Encourage your other children to introduce your daughter to their friends and just do everything you can to insure she meets a broad range of young men, one of whom we&#039;ll hope turns her head. Sometimes young women settle on one guy simply because he&#039;s the one that&#039;s there, and they don&#039;t think deeply enough about whether he&#039;s really the best one for her.  But, it takes courage to wait until the right one comes along, and not settle for the sure thing, so its important that those who love her encourage her that she&#039;ll find Mr. Right.

It time to hit your knees like never before, Mom (and entire family), and pray, pray, pray that HE opens your daughter&#039;s eyes, brings her the right mate, and grants you the wisdom and calm to deal with this.  It is anguishing for a parent to go thru this for their child, and really have so little input.  I suppose it is to teach us forbearance and even more about selfless, unflinching love.

You and your family are in my prayers today.

Graceandhonor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Abby,</p>
<p>The only way you can tell her he is not invited to a family gathering or trip is to apply this edict across the board with other children and their significant others.  Notice I did not say &#8220;spouses.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Honey, we&#8217;d like to spend quality time with you one on one.  We&#8217;ll invite Dirk another time.&#8221;  BUT, you cannot use this too often as she&#8217;ll dig her heels in.</p>
<p>See if you can encourage your daughter to broaden her horizons outside the love department.  Has she talked about getting an advanced degree and perhaps move away to pursue it?  Would she like to go to Europe?  Could she transfer out of state with her company?  While this may seem extreme, and heaven knows, she might meet another Dirk somewhere else, encourage her to look at her life in a holistic fashion.  If she thinks in these terms, perhaps she&#8217;ll draw the conclusion that Dirk is not a long-range option for her life.  And, if anyone in  your immediate circle asks her such questions as &#8220;When are you going to tie the knot?&#8221; or &#8220;Are you going to die an old maid?&#8221; or &#8220;Isn&#8217;t your biologicial clock ticking down?&#8221; for heaven&#8217;s sake, take them aside and tell them to stop, as these types of comments may at least subconciously make her think time is running out and she better settle in a hurry.  Or give me their numbers, and I&#8217;ll take care of them for you!!!</p>
<p>Having been in this type of situation in the past, as one parent to another, bite your tongue, Abby, bite it until it bleeds, grip your husband&#8217;s arm in a death vise, but DON&#8217;T criticize Dirk in any way.  However, you can be exremely non-committal about him and trust me on this, eventually your daughter will ask, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you like Dirk?&#8221;  Even then, DON&#8217;T respond with your true feelings.  You can be lukewarm in your like of him without totally embracing him.</p>
<p>Encourage your other children to introduce your daughter to their friends and just do everything you can to insure she meets a broad range of young men, one of whom we&#8217;ll hope turns her head. Sometimes young women settle on one guy simply because he&#8217;s the one that&#8217;s there, and they don&#8217;t think deeply enough about whether he&#8217;s really the best one for her.  But, it takes courage to wait until the right one comes along, and not settle for the sure thing, so its important that those who love her encourage her that she&#8217;ll find Mr. Right.</p>
<p>It time to hit your knees like never before, Mom (and entire family), and pray, pray, pray that HE opens your daughter&#8217;s eyes, brings her the right mate, and grants you the wisdom and calm to deal with this.  It is anguishing for a parent to go thru this for their child, and really have so little input.  I suppose it is to teach us forbearance and even more about selfless, unflinching love.</p>
<p>You and your family are in my prayers today.</p>
<p>Graceandhonor</p>
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		<title>By: sasha</title>
		<link>http://www.etiquettedaily.com/2009/12/open-thread-176/#comment-1572</link>
		<dc:creator>sasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My teenager received a piece of jewelry from her uncle &amp; aunt for Christmas.  My daughter thanked them.  Unfortunately, my daughter does not want the gift because she can&#039;t relate to it.  She knows this gift was expensive and she would rather use the money to purchase something else.
My daughter nagged me for a day and a half, asking me to call them to return the gift.  My first instinct was to return it to a vendor that sells the merchandise &amp; not tell her aunt &amp; uncle.  But she and my husband instisted that I ask them for a receipt, since a gift receipt was not given in the jewelry box.
Mistakenly, I called my them and asked them for a receipt, that my daughter felt bad about the gift and that she would not use it.  They replied okay.
At the next family gathering, her uncle approached me &amp; said that he was never so insulted in his life.  This conversation escalated &amp; we abruptly left the family gathering.
My daughter &amp; husband are upset with them because I make many telephone calls to insure that I am purchasing Christmas gifts that there children want.  Over the last 2 Christmases they have net made any telephone calls to ask what our children want.
I know that my brother &amp; his wife took care in purchasing a gift for my daughter.  But they do not make any effort to know what she is all about -- we do not see each other often.
Was it an irreversible error in letting them know that the gift would not be used?  My brother said that he would rather the gift stay in a draw without being used than to know that she will not wear it.
 Then it escalated when my brother added an insult by saying that his children were better than ours.  I know that my brother does not approve of many things in my life - including that his wife is a better mother because she does not work &amp; I do ...
How can I salvage this relationship?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My teenager received a piece of jewelry from her uncle &amp; aunt for Christmas.  My daughter thanked them.  Unfortunately, my daughter does not want the gift because she can&#8217;t relate to it.  She knows this gift was expensive and she would rather use the money to purchase something else.<br />
My daughter nagged me for a day and a half, asking me to call them to return the gift.  My first instinct was to return it to a vendor that sells the merchandise &amp; not tell her aunt &amp; uncle.  But she and my husband instisted that I ask them for a receipt, since a gift receipt was not given in the jewelry box.<br />
Mistakenly, I called my them and asked them for a receipt, that my daughter felt bad about the gift and that she would not use it.  They replied okay.<br />
At the next family gathering, her uncle approached me &amp; said that he was never so insulted in his life.  This conversation escalated &amp; we abruptly left the family gathering.<br />
My daughter &amp; husband are upset with them because I make many telephone calls to insure that I am purchasing Christmas gifts that there children want.  Over the last 2 Christmases they have net made any telephone calls to ask what our children want.<br />
I know that my brother &amp; his wife took care in purchasing a gift for my daughter.  But they do not make any effort to know what she is all about &#8212; we do not see each other often.<br />
Was it an irreversible error in letting them know that the gift would not be used?  My brother said that he would rather the gift stay in a draw without being used than to know that she will not wear it.<br />
 Then it escalated when my brother added an insult by saying that his children were better than ours.  I know that my brother does not approve of many things in my life &#8211; including that his wife is a better mother because she does not work &amp; I do &#8230;<br />
How can I salvage this relationship?</p>
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		<title>By: Abby</title>
		<link>http://www.etiquettedaily.com/2009/12/open-thread-176/#comment-1571</link>
		<dc:creator>Abby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 29 year old daughter has been seeing a man for 9 mos. that my family finds very offensive. He can be very nice and helpful. However he has been in and out of jail so he is covered in tatoos that are offensive and wears offensive clothing. His grammar is like a screetching chalkboard. The day after christmas all of the extended family had made comments. We live in a small town and my husbands friends have really teased him too. I don&#039;t want to lose my daughter, but everytime I allow him for a holiday then she assumes we have accepted him and pushes him onto other trips with us. How can I tell her he is not invited and still keep peace in the family?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 29 year old daughter has been seeing a man for 9 mos. that my family finds very offensive. He can be very nice and helpful. However he has been in and out of jail so he is covered in tatoos that are offensive and wears offensive clothing. His grammar is like a screetching chalkboard. The day after christmas all of the extended family had made comments. We live in a small town and my husbands friends have really teased him too. I don&#8217;t want to lose my daughter, but everytime I allow him for a holiday then she assumes we have accepted him and pushes him onto other trips with us. How can I tell her he is not invited and still keep peace in the family?</p>
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		<title>By: red</title>
		<link>http://www.etiquettedaily.com/2009/12/open-thread-176/#comment-1570</link>
		<dc:creator>red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think there is a tactful way to tell someone that their gifts are unappreciated and thrown out.  Accept them graciously, and continue to donate them to a charity.  At least you can take a tax deduction for your charitable contribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there is a tactful way to tell someone that their gifts are unappreciated and thrown out.  Accept them graciously, and continue to donate them to a charity.  At least you can take a tax deduction for your charitable contribution.</p>
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		<title>By: red</title>
		<link>http://www.etiquettedaily.com/2009/12/open-thread-176/#comment-1569</link>
		<dc:creator>red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume this isn&#039;t the first breach of etiquette the bride-to-be has committed, nor will it be the last.  You are right to keep quiet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume this isn&#8217;t the first breach of etiquette the bride-to-be has committed, nor will it be the last.  You are right to keep quiet.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Mejia</title>
		<link>http://www.etiquettedaily.com/2009/12/open-thread-176/#comment-1568</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Mejia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter&#039;s father has a habit of giving things like boxes of canned goods (these are items that he might eat but we don&#039;t) and dollar store gifts such as old maid cards I can&#039;t tell you how many packs of these cards I&#039;ve given away and tins of mints and refrigerator magnets for Christmas and birthdays.  I don&#039;t think that he does this through lack of thought because he also buys the gifts on the gift list. I think that he does this so that there are lots of presents under the tree or at Birthday parties.  How can I tactfully tell him that these gifts are not necessary and really not appreciated and for the most part are given to good will or food pantries or thrown away</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter&#8217;s father has a habit of giving things like boxes of canned goods (these are items that he might eat but we don&#8217;t) and dollar store gifts such as old maid cards I can&#8217;t tell you how many packs of these cards I&#8217;ve given away and tins of mints and refrigerator magnets for Christmas and birthdays.  I don&#8217;t think that he does this through lack of thought because he also buys the gifts on the gift list. I think that he does this so that there are lots of presents under the tree or at Birthday parties.  How can I tactfully tell him that these gifts are not necessary and really not appreciated and for the most part are given to good will or food pantries or thrown away</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://www.etiquettedaily.com/2009/12/open-thread-176/#comment-1567</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q;  I was handed a wedding invitation at gathering last week.  I was told by the Bride to be that she didn&#039;t have any extra time or money for a stamp to mail it.  I was horrified by this but, kept quiet.  Then, when I pulled out the reply card there was no stamp on that either.  I was offended again. I feel like if you can&#039;t afford a simple stamp then maybe you should reconsider marriage.  I think that maybe she should have found the time to get a stamp and mailed it out after the weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q;  I was handed a wedding invitation at gathering last week.  I was told by the Bride to be that she didn&#8217;t have any extra time or money for a stamp to mail it.  I was horrified by this but, kept quiet.  Then, when I pulled out the reply card there was no stamp on that either.  I was offended again. I feel like if you can&#8217;t afford a simple stamp then maybe you should reconsider marriage.  I think that maybe she should have found the time to get a stamp and mailed it out after the weekend.</p>
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